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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:31:17 GMT -5
Personally, I agree their were better options, even if we wanted to go for a rebuilder (SJ deserved it), but I don't agree he dismantled it for mediocrity. Solid prospect pool, a lot of picks, and not a terrible roster. His roster is terrible considering where it started. People overrate his prospect pool as well. Not that it is bad, but considering the roster he started with he should be rivaling Dal and SJ for best futures and still had a decent NHL roster. I'd overrate any pool with Amadio, Dvorak, and Theodore. He has some really nice multi-category pieces. He doesn't have the bluechippers like Hertl or me, but he has a ton of very good, and very underrated kids. That sort of underrated prospect element is something that all 3 nominees have. Ottawa really capitalized on those guys this year (Martinook, McCormick, Ritche--who a lot of people had given up on, Di G, DD, Paul, Mersch, and Claesson) and considering Josh's NHL squad, having Drouin, Bracco, Gusev, Poirer, Smith, Vatrano, DeAngelo. Koekkoek is very impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:42:46 GMT -5
I don't think anyone under rates his prospect pool, we all just think it should be way freaking better given the pieces he has sold off. As with any prospects, after the first round at least, it's a crap shoot. 2010 draft was 6 years ago now, only 40 players in it have played managed to play more than 100 games. Fact of the matter is very few make it and we'd all have liked to seen more guarantees, if we can call prospects that, go his way in the draft. After all, the players he sold definitely demanded that as a return in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:45:29 GMT -5
If I did a ranking of GMs in this league I'd have Grogers right around 15. Not bad, but he doesn't stand out to me as a top GM.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Mar 19, 2016 19:42:54 GMT -5
If I did a ranking of GMs in this league I'd have Grogers right around 15. Not bad, but he doesn't stand out to me as a top GM. You have him that high? Out of curiosity, how did you rank GM's in this league?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 19:54:59 GMT -5
I don't think anyone under rates his prospect pool, we all just think it should be way freaking better given the pieces he has sold off. As with any prospects, after the first round at least, it's a crap shoot. 2010 draft was 6 years ago now, only 40 players in it have played managed to play more than 100 games. Fact of the matter is very few make it and we'd all have liked to seen more guarantees, if we can call prospects that, go his way in the draft. After all, the players he sold definitely demanded that as a return in the first place. Since I nominated him, I feel like I have to defend him more haha. You mentioned after the first round it's a crap shoot. He has 6 first rounders in the next 2 drafts including two top 10 picks this year. Those will help and I'm really interested to see how he drafts. Personally, I'm most intrigued by what Hertl, Grogers, Cas, you and Matt do at the draft. You five seemed to be really dialed in to prospects. Outside of the pool, don't you guys agree though, that he completely changed the way you had to approach waivers? Teams in the BBKL, are your waivers that contested and used? Was there anyone more diligent in unearthing loopholes in the CBA or finding missing players?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 20:17:29 GMT -5
If I did a ranking of GMs in this league I'd have Grogers right around 15. Not bad, but he doesn't stand out to me as a top GM. You have him that high? Out of curiosity, how did you rank GM's in this league? Yeah I think he's decent. I haven't actually ranked them, it was hypothetical, Im just guessing that's around where he'd end up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 11:08:08 GMT -5
Unearthing loopholes in the CBA is not a Favour, especially the way this group responds by taking from each GM they can. Failing to ever solve an issues or question without causing a league stir is not a solid GM move. Being the first GM to create the goalie hoarding issue is an awful culture move.
If even 5 GMs acted like LAG this place would die. If every GM acted like Josh or Duncan we would have a very competitive and respectful league.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 16:44:47 GMT -5
Unearthing loopholes in the CBA is not a Favour, especially the way this group responds by taking from each GM they can. Failing to ever solve an issues or question without causing a league stir is not a solid GM move. Being the first GM to create the goalie hoarding issue is an awful culture move. If even 5 GMs acted like LAG this place would die. If every GM acted like Josh or Duncan we would have a very competitive and respectful league. From a maturity and attitude perspective I agree. Grogs has a lot of learning to do. But I disagree from a fantasy hockey perspective. I think what he's doing within the rules is good for the league; I like GM's who are creative and use their brains, even if it makes my job harder. It's more fun. Unearthing loopholes is going to be apart of any league. Look at the NHL. Look at Lou or Stan Bowman or whoever; all the ones people admire and have been around, they've all made a living on loopholes especially in the last 10 years. It's what good GM's, the point of this award, do--they do whatever they can within the rules to give themselves a competitive edge. In my mind Josh and Duncan, and most of the league for that matter, do the same thing but in a much more respectful and thoughtful way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 18:57:35 GMT -5
1 this notion of within the rules of an info comets CBA is silliness. Year one was supposed to be for development to make this place great, not to assume we had everything right.
Sharkey I think the way to contribute in that way in this for fun league is to be a part of the RC/Admin team. Competitive GMing to win is via trade, smart contract work, careful use of injured exemptions, roster decisions & a balance of patience and responding to what happens.
A GM who find an accidents advantage outside of league:rule purposes is not doing this place any favours, unless our goal is the be bloodthirsty towards each other. Because I've seen that enough, and people who take that approach try to win, and when they don't they quit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 5:07:01 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 7:27:34 GMT -5
Unearthing loopholes in the CBA is not a Favour, especially the way this group responds by taking from each GM they can. Failing to ever solve an issues or question without causing a league stir is not a solid GM move. Being the first GM to create the goalie hoarding issue is an awful culture move. If even 5 GMs acted like LAG this place would die. If every GM acted like Josh or Duncan we would have a very competitive and respectful league. La's response: Doesen't mattr Waht you say Because Your a Snake
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 8:34:52 GMT -5
Unearthing loopholes in the CBA is not a Favour, especially the way this group responds by taking from each GM they can. Failing to ever solve an issues or question without causing a league stir is not a solid GM move. Being the first GM to create the goalie hoarding issue is an awful culture move. If even 5 GMs acted like LAG this place would die. If every GM acted like Josh or Duncan we would have a very competitive and respectful league. La's response: Doesen't mattr Waht you say Because Your a Snake Should be: doesnt mattr what u say bc ur a snake
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 15:53:59 GMT -5
Lol grog got 2 votes
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