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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 19:45:57 GMT -5
What happens if a team misses GP but doesn't own its own pick?
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Post by tmussolani [OTT] on Feb 3, 2016 19:56:00 GMT -5
as far as I know, the pick still gets docked. Basically, before you are acquiring someone else's first round pick, you better make sure they are going to make the GP requirements. I think the rule needs reworking, but also we can't just let teams get out of having their picks docked for not making the GP requirements and eliminate that penalty by them trading the pick for full value.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:44:27 GMT -5
as far as I know, the pick still gets docked. Basically, before you are acquiring someone else's first round pick, you better make sure they are going to make the GP requirements. I think the rule needs reworking, but also we can't just let teams get out of having their picks docked for not making the GP requirements and eliminate that penalty by them trading the pick for full value. I like this. It isn't fair that a team that met GP see's a team pick higher than them when that team missed GP, regardless of who currently owns it. Not made to punish new owner but reward the ones that played by the rules.
I haven't read our CBA on this discussion in quite some time, but I assume there is something also in place to penalize teams that don't own their picks but have missed games. Can't just have their picks docked or they'd just trade their picks.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Feb 3, 2016 20:51:02 GMT -5
as far as I know, the pick still gets docked. Basically, before you are acquiring someone else's first round pick, you better make sure they are going to make the GP requirements. I think the rule needs reworking, but also we can't just let teams get out of having their picks docked for not making the GP requirements and eliminate that penalty by them trading the pick for full value. I like this. It isn't fair that a team that met GP see's a team pick higher than them when that team missed GP, regardless of who currently owns it. Not made to punish new owner but reward the ones that played by the rules.
I haven't read our CBA on this discussion in quite some time, but I assume there is something also in place to penalize teams that don't own their picks but have missed games. Can't just have their picks docked or they'd just trade their picks.
Per the CBA the team missing GP pick is docked 3 spots in each round. <900 games is like 6 spots in each round. There is also nothing currently in the CBA compensating the team that holds another teams picks that missed gp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:57:27 GMT -5
I like this. It isn't fair that a team that met GP see's a team pick higher than them when that team missed GP, regardless of who currently owns it. Not made to punish new owner but reward the ones that played by the rules.
I haven't read our CBA on this discussion in quite some time, but I assume there is something also in place to penalize teams that don't own their picks but have missed games. Can't just have their picks docked or they'd just trade their picks.
Per the CBA the team missing GP pick is docked 3 spots in each round. <900 games is like 6 spots in each round. There is also nothing currently in the CBA compensating the team that holds another teams picks that missed gp. there shouldn't be anything to compensate those teams who own picks that were docked, that's a risk you take. It's still a 1st rounder, still a 2nd rounder etc. Chances are by January (most likely prior) you had a chance to realize that pick might get docked and decide if it was worth keeping or not. Let's face it, if that pick was 32nd and becomes 35, it's not the end of the world. Not many top 5-10 picks aren't owned by their original clubs, those guys kept their picks intentionally to get a top pick.
There should be something that fines the team who missed games played but owns none of their picks though.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Feb 3, 2016 21:06:41 GMT -5
Per the CBA the team missing GP pick is docked 3 spots in each round. <900 games is like 6 spots in each round. There is also nothing currently in the CBA compensating the team that holds another teams picks that missed gp. there shouldn't be anything to compensate those teams who own picks that were docked, that's a risk you take. It's still a 1st rounder, still a 2nd rounder etc. Chances are by January (most likely prior) you had a chance to realize that pick might get docked and decide if it was worth keeping or not. Let's face it, if that pick was 32nd and becomes 35, it's not the end of the world. Not many top 5-10 picks aren't owned by their original clubs, those guys kept their picks intentionally to get a top pick.
There should be something that fines the team who missed games played but owns none of their picks though.
I dont disagree. I was simply stating what is in the cba.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:07:57 GMT -5
there shouldn't be anything to compensate those teams who own picks that were docked, that's a risk you take. It's still a 1st rounder, still a 2nd rounder etc. Chances are by January (most likely prior) you had a chance to realize that pick might get docked and decide if it was worth keeping or not. Let's face it, if that pick was 32nd and becomes 35, it's not the end of the world. Not many top 5-10 picks aren't owned by their original clubs, those guys kept their picks intentionally to get a top pick.
There should be something that fines the team who missed games played but owns none of their picks though.
I dont disagree. I was simply stating what is in the cba. fair enough, probably should be something in there about that too. good catch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:14:12 GMT -5
Flagged to RC a few days ago. Formalized a path forward last night, once again our cba is a live document where logical outcomes is the goal that are repeatable. Learning curve of a new league where we are all volunteer and doing this for 'fun'.
A quick glance resulted in a monster post of things we need to address. We'll wrk through them.
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Post by jupper (CGY) on Feb 3, 2016 21:15:19 GMT -5
I agree, there should be a penalization for teams that don't make gp but don't own any picks. Maybe the next available 3rd or 4th rounder be taken away. so maybe their 2017 or 2018 3rd/4th if they don't have a 2016 3rd/4th. just throwing an idea out there that comes to the top of my head
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:17:57 GMT -5
I like this. It isn't fair that a team that met GP see's a team pick higher than them when that team missed GP, regardless of who currently owns it. Not made to punish new owner but reward the ones that played by the rules.
I haven't read our CBA on this discussion in quite some time, but I assume there is something also in place to penalize teams that don't own their picks but have missed games. Can't just have their picks docked or they'd just trade their picks.
Per the CBA the team missing GP pick is docked 3 spots in each round. <900 games is like 6 spots in each round. There is also nothing currently in the CBA compensating the team that holds another teams picks that missed gp. Our steps are fucked up, as are the gp # (recused myself from that discussion), and missing the gm responsible portion somehow, even though we discussed it prior to the cba document - it'll be clarified soon but each GM is responsible for ensuring they follow the requirements.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:18:21 GMT -5
I agree, there should be a penalization for teams that don't make gp but don't own any picks. Maybe the next available 3rd or 4th rounder be taken away. so maybe their 2017 or 2018 3rd/4th if they don't have a 2016 3rd/4th. just throwing an idea out there that comes to the top of my head I think it should be more steep than that. Guy goes trades his pick and it goes from eichel @2 to hanifin @5, that's far worse than being fined a 3rd or 4th. I'll be good with what ever they decide though, I just think original owner, the one who missed gp should feel the hit harder than the owner of their pick.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Feb 3, 2016 21:25:23 GMT -5
Per the CBA the team missing GP pick is docked 3 spots in each round. <900 games is like 6 spots in each round. There is also nothing currently in the CBA compensating the team that holds another teams picks that missed gp. Our steps are fucked up, as are the gp # (recused myself from that discussion), and missing the gm responsible portion somehow, even though we discussed it prior to the cba document - it'll be clarified soon but each GM is responsible for ensuring they follow the requirements. So are you compensating guys with 1st round picks for missing gp? Considering you traded away every other pick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:39:22 GMT -5
Guys the pick steps are fucked up. The adjustment is supposed to be align the pick as to where is should be - not supposed to be the primary fine which the GM receives (pick ownership shouldn't be assumed) - honestly didn't read the steps until last week and not sure where they came from - anyways, Picks should fall in a sport representation to the team, gp regulation will result Ina fine to the offending gm and the guys who own those Effected picks may recieve comp - that's how I've done it in the other league I setup. Anyways - a logical and repeatable outcome Is the goal and we have some smart guys in the RC who will be able to land this in a good spot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:14:40 GMT -5
I agree nick, pick should be slid the same amount regardless of owner. That isn't the "fine" imo, a different draft pick or something should be the fine. That's more what I meant with my comments, that the pick sliding shouldn't be the only thing that happens, needs to be a fine and not that the pick sliding is the penalty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:45:26 GMT -5
Yeah have to agree that guys missing GP should have pick sliding back in addition also having another penalty especially for teams that tanked. Make it short and sweet
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