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Post by tsn on Mar 17, 2016 23:34:23 GMT -5
The James Norris Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the defenseman who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position. Your 2015/16 nominees are... Nominee Take by Geoff's At risk youth, Assistant GM - LaVon Francois Beauchemin - Edmonton Oilers: That Frank Boosh muh-f***a is one O-G, but he bring a lot to the game with his style a play, he not just wilding out on foos in the blue he like man handling em and stuff. He based as shit yo. Brent Burns - Vancouver Canucks: This the white boi who played chewbacky at the all star game? Shit was tight yo much respect. Dustin Byfuglien - Chicago Blackhawks: Mista Geoff always be telling me, 'LaVon we need to get a dman like Dusty B' and I be telling him that stone cold mutha f***as like Dusty B don't grow on no mutha f****n trees, and he laugh at me n shit. Did the ADHL make the right decision? Should someone else have been nominated? Voice your opinions and comments below! The ADHL will be releasing Award Nominees periodically throughout the week, so check back often.
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Post by TampaBayBolts (Josh) on Mar 18, 2016 7:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 7:43:07 GMT -5
Beauchemin's such an interesting case. Middle of the road offense and hit number, but absurd SHTOI and blocks.
For me it's Buff
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 7:48:50 GMT -5
Burns got everything
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 7:56:28 GMT -5
Good thing you're not biased
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 12:41:59 GMT -5
Gotta play elite stable d first IMO to be in convo for best Dman, as much as I love burns he doesn't do that, Buffy not even close - Beau is perhaps the most consistent all around defender in the league and a total horse with his style of play. Cheap contract and rape of an acuisition (it hurt) means he gets my vote - other guys will be in the Bobby Orr Discussion.
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Post by Lou's your daddy (NYI) on Mar 18, 2016 13:01:05 GMT -5
Now, if LaVon was listening to me, he would have heard me rant and rave about how Weber should have been nominated for this award as he's the best D Man in the League and a former Rocket!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:35:38 GMT -5
Again, this is fantasy version of the Norris and not reflective of who should win in real life. The Norris is written as best all around dman and these dmen contribute statistically in everything, making them the fantasy equivalent of a weber or doughty. I would have preferred someone other than Beau for this award because he doesn't hit quite as hard across the board but I understood why the nominator wanted him in there. This was also a two horse race so I don't think it would have mattered who the third was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:53:27 GMT -5
I do not understand what this award is for if Karlsson isn't a nominee with the year he is having. Buff's periphs do not come close to making up for a 30 (!) point difference on a guy who is also top-10 in the league for BLKs.
In terms of effectiveness in this format, I have the top three as Burns, Karlsson, and Letang.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:12:03 GMT -5
I do not understand what this award is for if Karlsson isn't a nominee with the year he is having. Buff's periphs do not come close to making up for a 30 (!) point difference on a guy who is also top-10 in the league for BLKs. In terms of effectiveness in this format, I have the top three as Burns, Karlsson, and Letang. Letang would have been my 3rd so I see that as a fair arugment. Karlsson did not hit hard enough on SHTOI or hits, cost him a nomination. I see the argument over beau, but no one else. EK is my real life favourite player so keep in mind I am entirely biased in that direction, but I don't believe he deserves a nomination for this award or the real life version. Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:37:57 GMT -5
Karlsson is comparatively stronger in hits than Buff is in Blks. Karlsson is 90th in hits for Dmen, 11th for blocks. Byfuglien is 7th in hits, 95th in blocks. They are both elite in one and OK in the other.
It really comes down to their differences in points, PIMs & SHTOI. I don't think it's particularly close -- 30 points is worth a heck of a lot more than 50 extra PIMs and 57 extra TOI-SH.
That Fantrax have their scores as about even is a good example of the imperfections of the fantrax scoring system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 21:42:06 GMT -5
The point is this award, while not ignoring scoring, per se, is focused on the best defenseman in terms of actual defense. So blocks, shtoi, and hits matter far more than points
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 22:44:24 GMT -5
If any of what you just said was true Tim, Brent Burns wouldn't be a nominee. His periphs as a whole are pretty average -- you could pull two dozen or so guys with 25+ points and better periphs than he has, like Niskanen, Weber, Stone, Josi, Goligoski, Ristolainen, Muzzin, McDonagh, etc. If you ranked all defensemen by their periphs alone, I doubt Burns would make the top 50. He's in there because of his phenomenal offensive performance.
I get what you guys were going for here, but it's being applied inconsistently. You're saying Burns offense makes up for the lack of elite periphs, whilst also saying Karlsson's 30 assist lead on Byfuglien doesn't make up for the 50 seconds of PK time a game that separates their periphs. (Which is nonsense btw: if you crunch the numbers, 30 assists is worth about 140 SH-TOI minutes -- Byfuglien's advantage is well under half that.) Not having Karlsson as a nominee here is either a result of flawed reasoning or a bastardization of the concept of a Norris Trophy.
Next year perhaps we should do: - Norris: best performance by a defensemen - Orr: best performance in offensive categories - Stevens (?): best performance in periphs categories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 22:57:36 GMT -5
Well yeah if it was strictly periphs then Mark Borowiecki would be a nominee, but he's got 0 offense so he's not. It's a balancing act. If you don't think we balanced it right, that might be fair.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Mar 19, 2016 14:05:00 GMT -5
Beauchemin's such an interesting case. Middle of the road offense and hit number, but absurd SHTOI and blocks. For me it's Buff Uhhhh...Burns outpaces him in almost all categories.
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