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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 18:54:39 GMT -5
I know I'm not part of the RC but I think if a rule change takes place it should be effective starting next year not now. The rules should be defined before the year for everybody. I definitely could have moved a bunch more guys at trade deadline but chose not to in order to ensure I hit the gp mark.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Apr 18, 2018 19:27:11 GMT -5
I know I'm not part of the RC but I think if a rule change takes place it should be effective starting next year not now. The rules should be defined before the year for everybody. I definitely could have moved a bunch more guys at trade deadline but chose not to in order to ensure I hit the gp mark. it's more so a decision on whether or not NJ had ample time and resources to reach the gp mark and whether leniency should be granted than a discussion about changing the rule. He at least made an effort to add gp, but imo personally I dont think he every had a shot to reach it even if he had been here all season with the shit show that he took over.
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Post by canadianrednek (CBJ) on Apr 18, 2018 19:43:43 GMT -5
FWIW it's only the NJ picks you own. So any other teams picks are unaffected. Your punishment was discussed within RC (I stayed out of it for obvious reasons), no consensus was made but maybe they will revisit that conversation as we are getting closer to the draft. I feel like a desicion would need to be made before the lottery, not the draft. I know I'd be pissed if I won the 1st due to others missing gp, but then was told 2 months later they decided to reverse the punishment. I agree with this and I also think that New Gms should be given a year to figure out there roster and the league, then pick up extra players in free agency and waivers.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Apr 18, 2018 19:51:40 GMT -5
I feel like a desicion would need to be made before the lottery, not the draft. I know I'd be pissed if I won the 1st due to others missing gp, but then was told 2 months later they decided to reverse the punishment. I agree with this and I also think that New Gms should be given a year to figure out there roster and the league, then pick up extra players in free agency and waivers. It honestly doesn't take that long to figure things out. The reason why this is even a discussion with regards to NJ is because that team was well on its way to missing gp at the time he took over the team. Even if he had been here all season that roster was so bad that it was going to be difficult to reach the mark, but by the time he took over mid-season so many games were already lost that he had virtually no chance of reaching the number. It's definitely a special circumstance where leniency should be granted imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:23:22 GMT -5
I can certainly understand that NJ came in to a really shitty situation and I have sympathy but I think you need to look at where his team actually would have finished had he met GP. Add almost 200 GP to his team and he's probably not looking at grabbing the first overall this year. I feel like doing that almost punishes other GMs who went out and acquired players to make sure GP was not an issue. I'm not trying to rag on NJ at all as I mentioned I understand he came into a poor situation but I don't think teams should be adjusted if they didn't meet GP.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Apr 18, 2018 20:37:56 GMT -5
I can certainly understand that NJ came in to a really shitty situation and I have sympathy but I think you need to look at where his team actually would have finished had he met GP. Add almost 200 GP to his team and he's probably not looking at grabbing the first overall this year. I feel like doing that almost punishes other GMs who went out and acquired players to make sure GP was not an issue. I'm not trying to rag on NJ at all as I mentioned I understand he came into a poor situation but I don't think teams should be adjusted if they didn't meet GP. fwiw, even after adding the adjusted standing points NJ still finishes with the 3rd worst record same as pre-adjustment. NJ had only about half as many points as the next lowest team in the standings. 200 extra gp isn't changing that much if at all. And NJ actually did go out and try to acquire gp, but was already dead and buried before he even took over. And if I'm not mistaken, it was a near mathematical impossiblity to reach 950 by the time he took over. It's not a situation like say Carolina who has been here all season and actually has some assets to go acquire additional gp and ignored it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:46:51 GMT -5
I never said NJ didn't make an effort to try to get to GP. I don't think NJ did anything wrong in this situation. I'm just saying I don't believe it's right to adjust the standings and/or rules once everything has been said and done. It's almost punishing the GMs who did what they had to in order to meet GP. It's lsimilat to taking over a team that has few draft picks due to the previous GM trading them. It's a bad situation that the new GM didn't cause but a situation that the new GM needs to deal with nonetheless.
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Apr 18, 2018 21:12:10 GMT -5
Well, that's where you and I disagree. I don't think that it is generally good practice to punish teams for something that is completely out of your control. Mathematically he was already buried and dead before he took over. It's really a no win situation, but I don't think giving NJ the highest penalty possible is the best solution. Barring them from from winning the lottery, but not docking them 6 additional spots in the draft is at least a better compromise imo. Regardless, somebody is not going to be happy with whatever is decided.
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Post by David (ARZ) on Apr 19, 2018 7:20:45 GMT -5
Well, that's where you and I disagree. I don't think that it is generally good practice to punish teams for something that is completely out of your control. Mathematically he was already buried and dead before he took over. It's really a no win situation, but I don't think giving NJ the highest penalty possible is the best solution. Barring them from from winning the lottery, but not docking them 6 additional spots in the draft is at least a better compromise imo. Regardless, somebody is not going to be happy with whatever is decided. As long as its before the lottery and not the draft, I will accept any desicion they make! If they decide post lottery to change it, you're potentially robbing guys of prospects they thought they won the right to draft.
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Post by Jordan (BOS) on Apr 19, 2018 8:22:43 GMT -5
I know I'm not part of the RC but I think if a rule change takes place it should be effective starting next year not now. The rules should be defined before the year for everybody. I definitely could have moved a bunch more guys at trade deadline but chose not to in order to ensure I hit the gp mark. I agree that most rule changes should be for next season, however this may be the one exception. Its a unique situation that impacts the health and longevity of this league.
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Post by dave1959(VGK) on Apr 19, 2018 8:23:40 GMT -5
I'm assuming this situation has not surfaced in a previous season?
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Post by Jordan (BOS) on Apr 19, 2018 8:25:21 GMT -5
I'm assuming this situation has not surfaced in a previous season? We had massive GM turnover this summer and causes these situations. Previously I believe teams who missed GP were GM's who were here since day 1.
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Post by Koomzz (CHI) on Apr 19, 2018 12:59:28 GMT -5
We are 100% not going to change a rule for this season. And at this point in time I don't even think we're talking about making a change to the rule for next season. But the punishment that NJ and even CAR face in this situation is a little unfair given the circumstances they were dealt upon joining this league. NJ had no shot at all to fix the disaster that whoever "ran" that team left. CAR had more time, and was aware of the rule, and what needed to be done. It sort of seems like he chose to ignore that and then bounce because it was too hard. I know for sure he expressed it to me the difficulty of gaining GP without making your future even bleaker than it is now, but I don't recall any attempt to gain GP to reach that mark. At any rate, both of these teams were never going to make GP unless there was some major overhaul and generosity coming from some of the GMs in this league. There's no way we can argue that they deserve the same treatment as teams that miss the mark that have been in control of their teams for a while (no offense to NYI or COL, whom both missed the mark as well with the same punishment). But we can't treat these two situations as equal, well, because clearly they aren't
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Post by canadianrednek (CBJ) on Apr 22, 2018 13:18:09 GMT -5
Hey since this is my first off-season, where do I find important dates, such as the entry draft and when does our free agency open up...
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Post by casperx22 (PHI) on Apr 22, 2018 13:46:51 GMT -5
Hey since this is my first off-season, where do I find important dates, such as the entry draft and when does our free agency open up... Draft is June 1. Fa frenzy will be shortly after the start of actual fa.
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